Health Care Bill. The bad news

[Reinhard_Kirchhof]

Just thought I would pass along something along that someone sent to me. I certainly hope this isn't true. If it is we're in deep poo poo.
I've already had experience with relatives in Germany where there is socialized medicine and it isn't very good.

Subject: FW: Shock to NBC this morning.

You got to know what's in it before you vote for it    

Reading the proposals below is very frightening.  I would not believe any American (Republican or Democrat) would vote for it!  Why?   Sure sounds like Nazi Germany - not America.  Who wrote these things?  

Subject: Shock to NBC this morning.

This letter appeared in the Indianapolis Star (which is owned by the same people who own the Arizona Republic ) and was sent to a very popular Indiana Senator.  This just goes to show everyone what pressure these Democrats are currently under, so continue to let them know how you feel about the healthcare bill.
Bill Stough
  
Shock to NBC This morning.  
  
  An   Indianapolis doctor's letter to Sen. Bayh about  the Bill ( Note:   Dr. Stephen E. Fraser, MD practices as an  anesthesiologist in Indianapolis , IN  )   Here is a  letter I sent to Senator Bayh.. Feel free to  copy it and send it around to all other  representatives. -- Stephen  Fraser
 

 
Senator  Bayh,
 
As a practicing  physician I have major concerns with the health  care bill before Congress. I actually have read  the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the  government's proposed involvement in the  patient-physician relationship. The very idea  that the government will dictate and ration  patient care is dangerous and certainly not  helpful in designing a health care system that  works for all. Every physician I work with  agrees that we need to fix our health care  system, but the proposed bills currently making  their way through congress will be a disaster if  passed.
 
I ask you  respectfully and as a patriotic American to look  at the following troubling lines that I have  read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe  that these proposals are in the best interests  of the country and our fellow  citizens.

Page 22  of the HC Bill:  Mandates that the Govt  will audit books of all employers that  self-insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123  of HC bill:   THERE WILL BE A GOVT  COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits  you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in  the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS  RATIONED!!!
 
Page 42 of HC  Bill:  The Health Choices Commissioner  will choose your HC benefits for you. You have  no choice!

Page 50 Section 152  in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL  non-US citizens, illegal or  otherwise.              

Page  58 HC Bill:  Govt will have real-time  access to individuals' finances & a  'National ID Health card' will be  issued! (Papers  please!)

Page  59 HC Bill lines 21-24:  Govt will have  direct access to your bank accounts for elective  funds transfer. (Time  for more cash and carry)

Page 65  Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for  retirees and their families in unions &  community organizations:  (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC  bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages  for private HC plans in the  'Exchange.'
 
Page 85 Line  7 HC Bill:  Specifications of Benefit  Levels for Plans -- The Govt  will ration your health  care!
 
Page 91 Lines 4-7  HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic  appropriate services.  (Translation:  illegal aliens.)
 
Page 95  HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use  groups (I.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up  individuals for Govt HC  plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC  Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels  for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL  be rationed!)
Page 102  Lines 12-18 HC Bill:  Medicaid eligible  individuals will be automatically enrolled in  Medicaid.  (No choice.)

Page  12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue  GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review"  against Govt monopoly.

Page 127  Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American  Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU  what salary you can make.

Page  145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST  auto-enroll employees into public option  plan. (NO choice!)

Page  126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for  HC for part-time employees ANDtheir  families.  (Employees shouldn't get excited  about this as employers will be forced to reduce  its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to  cover such a huge  expense.)

Page 149 Lines  16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k  & above who does not provide public option  will pay 8% tax on all payroll!  (See the  last comment in  parenthesis.)
Page 150  Lines 9-13: A business with payroll  between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide  public option will pay 2-6% tax on all  payroll.
 
Page 167 Lines  18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have  acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed  2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines  1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is  exempt from individual taxes.  (Americans will pay.) (Like  always)

Page  195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of  the GOVT HC Admin..  will have access  to ALL Americans' finances and  personal records. (I guess  so they can 'deduct' their  fees)

Page 203  Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under  this section shall not be treated as tax."   (Yes, it really says  that!) ( a  'fee' instead)
Page 239  Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce  physician services for Medicaid Seniors.   (Low-income and the poor are  affected.)

Page 241  Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't  matter what specialty you have trained yourself  in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY  to tell me that's not  Socialism!)

Page 253 Line  10-18: The Govt sets the value of a  doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc.   (Literally-- the value of  humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131:  The Govt mandates and controls productivity for  "private" HC industries.
 
Page  268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the  rental and purchase of power driven  wheelchairs.
 
Page 272 SEC.  1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS -  Cancer patients - welcome to  rationing!
 
Page 280 Sec 1151:  The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever  the Govt deems preventable  (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines  9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during  initial admission that results in a re-admission  -- the Govt will penalize  you.
 
Page 317 L 13-20:  PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt  tells doctors what and how much they can  own!)
 
Page 317-318 lines  21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion.  (The  Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot  expand.)
Page 321  2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply  for exception BUT community input is required.   (Can you say  ACORN?)
 
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg  336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2  outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want --  rationing.)
Page 341  Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify  Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc.   (Forcing people into the Govt  plan)
 
Page 354 Sec 1177: The  Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs  people!'    Unbelievable!
 
Page  379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy  via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee."   (Can you say HC by  phone?)
 
Page 425 Lines 4-12:  The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning  Consult."  (Think senior citizens  end-of-life patients.)
 
Page  425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and  consult regarding living wills, durable powers  of attorney, etc.  (And  it's mandatory!)
Page 425  Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an  "approved" list of end-of-life resources;  guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted  suicide.') (Sounds  like Soylent Green to  me.)

Page  427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for  orders on "end-of-life."  (The Govt has a  say in how your life  ends!)
 
Page 429 Lines 1-9: An  "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used  frequently as a patient's health  deteriorates.
 
Page 429 Lines  10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may  include an ORDER for end-of-life plans..   (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE  GOVERNMENT?!?)

Page 429  Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors  can write an end-of-life order..  (I  wouldn't want to stand before God after getting  paid for THAT job!)  

Page 430  Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of  treatment you will have at end-of-life!   (Again -- no  choice!)
 
Page 469:  Community-Based Home Medical Services =  Non-Profit Organizations.  (Hello?   ACORN Medical Services  here!?!)
 
Page 489 Sec 1308:  The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy.   (Which means Govt will insert itself into  your marriage even.)

Page  494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services  including defining, creating, and rationing  those services.

 
Senator,  I guarantee that I personally will do everything  possible to inform patients and my fellow  physicians about the dangers of the proposed  bills you and your colleagues are  debating.
 
Furthermore,  if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized  medicine on the country and destroys the  doctor-patient relationship, I will  do everything in my power to  make sure you lose your job in the next  election.
 
Respectfully,
 
Stephen  E. Fraser, MD

[judi_abate]

please check out what www.snopes.com has to say about this..search the website for 'letter to sen bayh'..

[Jackie Everitt]

I don't believe anything that I am told somthing says until the complete document is made available for me to read - until that is done - I have to believe that what I just read is the truth.  If this newer version of the bill is so much better - why can't I read a copy of it on-line (Yes, it can be posted in parts so you are not crashing your computer when you download it).  This is getting rammed down our throats!

Take it from me - with the insurance that we have from my husband - the kid's would be better off with NJ Cures - but because we some insurance - we can't take advantage of that.  The insurance we have is a joke - with two kids immunizations are not covered!!   So yes I do see a need for reform - not a new system and that in my opinion is what is getting shoved down our throats.

[Thom_Worman]

For the record, I'm not defending the bill or attacking the content of the original message, but:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/frazer.asp

[Pat Garaffa]

There are a few of those letters floating around.  Some of it is real and some is doctored.  Many of the items were taken from original health care bills and have since been eliminated.  But many still exist so don't toss this off as an internet legend either!   

I also believe we need serious healthcare reform.  Costs are too high, insurance is not portable, sick people can't get help, etc.  It's a mess.  But the package presented will bankrupt us for sure so that's no good either.

Lets start with 2 simple things - some simple tort reform and competition across state lines. 

What would your cell phone or cable bill look like if you only had one provider available to you?  The competition has helped keep those costs lower and that could do the same for healthcare. 

That is just 2 items.  There are 999,998 more things that need to be done to get this mess under control.   

[James_Mazetta]

 We do not need this now and they should start at bottom again and really make it right. The pinheads in Washington probably haven't read this giant thing or don't understand it anyway. They just vote party lines for the most part.
What the american people need NOW is work, less taxes not more crap put on them. Amazing these pinheads are so out of touch and they keep getting elected.

[Pat Garaffa]

The news just announced that "President Obama just delayed his trip to Asia to focus on more important domestic issues."

Great!  That means he will stay home and work on:

Unemployment?  No.

The economy?  No.

The recession?  No.

Undocumented immigration?  No.

The war?  No.

Nuclear threats from Iran?  No.  

Getting the hell out of Iraq or Afghanistan?  No.  

Terrorism?  No.

Finding Osama?  No.  

The mortgage crisis?  No.

Foreclosures?  No.

Homeless people? No.

Poverty?  No.  

Hunger?  No.  

Education?  No.  

National debt?  No.

Our threatened AAA bond rating?  No.

The trade deficit?  No.

The shrinking dollar?  No.  

Taxes?  No.  

Inflation?  No.  

Finding money to pay for all this crap?  No.

Putting Scotts "Step 1" fertilizer on the White House lawn?  No.  
  
None of the above.  He will continue to work on healthcare because that issue is what has crippled our country!  

 

[Phil_Sanfilippo]

The debate on health care has worn my nerves thin. If we brought the troops home and ended the fiasco in Irag and Afaghanistan we would enough money for all to have health car and rid around in brand new cars and enough to build Howell a new town hall
                                              phil

[Kathy_Baratta]

The debate on health care has worn my nerves thin. If we brought the troops home and ended the fiasco in Irag and Afaghanistan we would enough money for all to have health car and rid around in brand new cars and enough to build Howell a new town hall
                                              phil

Dammit, Phil! When are you going to stop with this simple, common sense approach to a serious problem?     

KB

[Phil_Sanfilippo]

Kathy,
         I will stop when when of the following 2 things occur, 1-I see pigs fly
                                                                                          2-Politicians give up their seats and put  on a white collar. Looks like I will be around a long time. Besides Common sense went out to sea with Justice.
                                                                                            god bless
                                                                                             phil

[Joe Parente]

Dammit, Phil! When are you going to stop with this simple, common sense approach to a serious problem?     

KB

Hmm, sounds like common sense to me too.

I have found that when a person is doing something that seemingly violates common sense, it's simply because they have different goals in mind than you.

[Phil_Sanfilippo]

Joe,
      This common sense thing is starting to scare me. Who knows we may be on to something. I think i just saw 2 pigs fly by with the storm. Lower taxes are on the way.
                                           phil